Question about Coronavirus source

Something I am NOT seeing is the origins of the wildlife suspected of carrying the disease

OK so the outbreaks  supposed to have come from a combo of Snake/Bat zoonotic crossover

Thats not unheard of, think Hendra crossing from Bats(flying foxes) in Aus, Hendra from Bats infects Horses via faeces or urine on fruit/grasses undertrees, and then from ill horses, to humans.

Hendra kills humans and horses ,but dogs produce antibodies and are ok.

Hendra WAS found in a Herpetology collection in Qld some yrs ago as well, they didnt say if the snakes were ok or died.

Nipah , amazingly appearing almost the same time as Hendra but in Asia,affects dogs pigs monkeys and humans. Also blamed on Bats as Carriers and it killed all the species.

So the question I really would like to see asked and answered BY those whos job it is to know..

is ,where did the snakes and bats IN the Wuhan Markets come from???

Because the originating source was probably rural trappers or breeders, who brought them into the city for sale.

Those sellers and the villages they come FROM  would be a high risk of outbreak/carriers ,but not ONE mention has been made of ANY rural deaths or illnesses and thats  more than  weird its downright suspicious.

If your’e an epidemiologist the original source is the PRIME interest to track down and halt. The Wuhan Market is a  Vector- but the  REAL SOURCE is being ignored

I see Chinas govt  requested that rural farmers continue to supply foods TO the major cities in lockdown, which is, obviously vital to prevent starvation and more panic.

But if the same  vendors  are  without /limited  health care or  enquiry into how healthy their villages/families are?

They  are banned from selling the bats and snakes and other wildlife now, but their homes,farms and transport vehicles were used to do so and  probably havent been destroyed(financial reasons obviously) or sterilized well enough- if at all- to ensure they’re safe for other foods.

For people living in poverty as many rural chinese appear to do then they arent going to be wasting a food source, but probably consuming it themselves as they lost sales.

Then, it appears to me at least, it’s a rather large risk to keep bringing possible new contamination with them.

Then too , is the possibility that  they have had milder forms of the coronavirus, some survived and would then be Prime sources of blood/tissue to develop a vaccine FROM.


Support this mans efforts to get the truth about the Great Barrier Reef seen!

As an Australian, once again I am shamed by our institutions of supposed higher learning. Once again they seek to suppress and place under gag orders any one who dares question the “accepted” (paid for) predetermined outcome / biased results

see the issue here:

James Cook University @jcu censures a climate skeptic – help him fight back

All US Warming, And Almost Half Of The Data, Is Fake

Source: All US Warming, And Almost Half Of The Data, Is Fake


excellent sleuthing, been watching this grow and spread but hadnt looked into it enough

John Cook is” loose with the truth”

John Cook is a Filthy Liar.

PPR in Goats and Sheep in Congo/Hendra similarities?

This one is sure not common,

Goat and sheep disease causes crisis in Congo

Peste des Petit Ruminant..

another name is…Goat plague.

Because I happen to like animals a lot, and was mystified on this one, I went for a look see out of curiousity.

What Idiscovered has me doing some thinking on the VERY oddness of the surge in MORBILLI Viruses, and Paramyxo disease outbreaks in the last few years.

I can add the  previously unknown Paramyxo that has appeared in  Pigeons in Victoria, and now NSW and some wild birds found dead/ill as well, though not many- to this list of outta the blue never seens as well. Funny how the PTB are advising using the Newcastle vaccine as a May? be useful preventative..when that same vaccine also has bluetongue again  in its mix.

The fact that Measles and Distemper are also Paramyxo , the fact that theres a Huge push to revaccinate troops especially, as well as  civilians for Measles, when the measles vaccines do not offer the  real immunity that actually Having the Native version would offer, and the true incidence of problems with REAL Measles are in truth very low incident wise.

It’s especially pertinent to  Australian events with the HENDRA outbreaks  this year killing Horses, once again, and putting owners, other pets on their property and any poor Veterinarians treating them at personal risk. and the risk is high !

Death  is quite possible and HAS happened.

In Australia the Hendra is blamed solely on transmission BY Fruit Bats aka Flying foxes.

Arboreal nusiances that  eat fruit and nectar, fine if they as native critters kept to native foods, however they do not, and they seem to be rather happy to live right in central suburbia in their huge colonies, making a lot of noise and crapping and peeing all over everything under them.

We have them  colonising a central Botanic Garden and also living in a NSW schools lunch shed.

This places visitors to said gardens and ALL children and adults at that school at a massive risk of become the next fatality of Hendra.

We also have a vociferous cluster of senseless ultra green people who keep blocking any moves to remove by culling the colonies placing many people and animals at risk.

Yes they ARE a Native Species, thats true.

However they are in HUGE numbers and are NOT Threatened, complete eradication of colonies IN suburbia would hardly make a dent in their numbers.. selective area culling in rural areas where horses are kept would also not cause them to become extinct.


and Nipah that killed people in an Asian outbreak, and caused a large number of pigs to be killed to halt the spread if it there, are  in the Paramyxo/Morbilli virus genres

Rather curious how they appeared very close  in time, in distant nations..Totally unknown before..slight difference in  Nipah, again blamed on bats..

Extremely curious that  theres a link to  Bluetongue disease, in the MERK vaccine that was a CANINE targeted sales item, and had a very sudden weekend recall at the Exact time that the Hendra outbreak occurred.. Their own web pages ADMIT that that vaccine killed Dogs. They fail to mention how many, across how many nations and if? they even had the decency to admit and  compensate owners or treat victims that may? have survived..there’s NO mention beyond passing references.

With that companies prior history with other Vaccine issues I doubt anything much was done past recall.

Sidenote: Theres a link on the FMD page to a Merial company Sth African, BVI, making the FMD vaccines.and they also do rinderpest. used widely.

PPR misdiagnosed? as rinderpest, so who wasn’t testing but assuming?

How many assumed Rinderpest issues in EU etc were maybe PPR?

How close is the supposedly new? Schmallenberg virus to it I wonder?

That company is tied in at a few years distance,  with   a company once in Aus that shut down here and offshored to? yeah Sth Africa, via the usual convoluted tangle of  buyups takeovers etc etc.

Even more worth taking some note is the fact that a certain  vaccine was based  with LIVE  Bluetongue, and used widely, then very suddenly recalled, just as the first Aussie victim of Hendra,  Vic Rail, and a large number of his horses who died as well occured in Aus!

Exceptionally odd as Aus does’nt Have Bluetongue and allowing a vaccine using any part of that to be even allowed IN the country let alone used in canines and other species at all is  nothing short of crazy!

They can Never guarantee that ALL the virus is actually  totally inactive ie. live virus weakened but NOT dead.  Still Used here for Distemper in Dogs but inactivated

(which is why POLIO vaccine recipients then GET POLIO as evidenced and proven recently in multiple 3rd world nations being pushed?forced to  vaccinate kids)


Peste des petits ruminants (PPR), also known as goat plague, is caused by a paramyxovirus of the Morbillivirus genus. It was first described in 1942 in Cote d’Ivoire, West Africa (see References: Dhar 2002) and is closely related to rinderpest virus, canine distemper virus, and human measles virus. The virus has the following characteristics (see References: OIE 2002):

  • May survive at 60C for 60 minutes
  • Stable from pH 4.0 to 10.0
  • Killed by alcohol, ether, and detergents as well as by most disinfectants (eg, phenol, sodium hydroxide)
  • Long survival time in chilled and frozen tissues
  • ============================================


For PPR to spread, close contact between infected and susceptible animals is needed (see References: Ozkul 2002). There are several means of transmission between animals (see References: Saliki 2008):

  • Inhalation of aerosols produced by sneezing and coughing of infected animals
    • Outbreaks are more frequent during the rainy season or the dry, cold season (see References: OIE 2002).
  • Direct contact with ocular, nasal, or oral secretions
  • Direct contact with feces
  • Fomites such as bedding, water, and feed troughs
  • No carrier state is known to exist


PPR has been found in parts of sub-Saharan Africa for several decades and in the Middle East and southern Asia since 1993. It has been reported in Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, and Ethiopia. It was first reported in southern India in 1987. The Arabian Peninsula, the Middle East, and the rest of the Indian Subcontinent reported PPR incidents during 1993-1995. The disease has remained endemic in these areas. It has also occurred in Turkey (1996), Iraq (2000), Iran (1994), Bangladesh (1993 and 2000), and Nepal (1995) (see References: Dhar 2002).

  • In India, PPR was first confirmed in March 1987 in sheep suspected of having rinderpest. It is now believed that many outbreaks in India previously attributed to rinderpest were actually PPR. The virus was isolated four more times by 1992, and major epidemics occurred in the state of Andhra Pradesh in 1994-1995 and 1997-1998 (see References: Taylor 2002).
  • In Africa and Asia, the disease is particularly devastating, as these countries often use small ruminants as components of agricultural food production (see References: EMPRES 1999).

I hope you noted the  bolded fragment?


so? if it does NOT have a known carrier to infect the first animal? how does it magically appear I have to ask.

Aw Hell! how come they haven’t though about BATS???that DO carry Paramyxo and DO live in caves etc in the areas where the goats etc happen to run as well??

Or maybe? they need to try and find that ONE genus of Midge as in EU:-)

No Ones explained EVER how Bats get it…maybe the base carrier worldwide is actually MIDGES?

Tied in with this is the fact that an Aussie lass went to Sth Africa for reasons rather UNspecified, and lo and behold finds that HENDRA is Highly prevalent IN Sth African Bat species.Though the Paramyxo Morbillis DO seem to be having an amazing global upsurge..

Her radio report I managed to be lucky to hear also failed  utterly to  state why? they went TO africa, and also what??? DNA was found IN those infected African bat colonies.One colony  which happened to be living ON the roof areas of a large hospital there.

I wondered why they were’nt looking in regions closer to home where possible transmission by trade would be far more probable. ie bats stowed away on ships, short journey, whereas  boat via Sth Africa would have em starving to death before landing.

They also have NO Tracking or even it seems knowledge of Hendra/ Nipah as a source of Illness in Humans there, the excuse given was they get so many meningococcal diseases anyway they dont check!

You could also bet and make money that NO horse deaths are examined or documented either.

There is NO explanation as to how a disease of Fruit bats  although mammals, manages to specifically far as we are told? ONLY horses, who then manage to change? or transmit unchanged? to humans, that’s also a gaping black hole in info given to us..

Also passing strange they happened to be onto Bats so very fast as the vector?

The other VERY lousy info lack never mentions if our Brumbies get infected, no reports of mass horse deaths APART from Vaccinated pets /racehorses so far, in years.

How come?

Also NO reports of wether its transmissable to cattle  or other species ..

ONE Dog has had it, recovered and produced antibodies to it, OUTside of a lab I noted in a Aus Govt document…which means they HAVE managed to infect Dogs in their labs!

They euthanased that poor Dog.

Recent outbreak, some two weeks back mentions a pet dog showing a weak positive and being retested. Media here has basically Dropped reporting on this…why?

I would love tp know what Vaccines were given to both those dogs and the rest of our Aus hounds..Theres a range of makers, so records are required to know what batch and what Maker.

It’s been a roundabout Digression 🙂 but the strangeness, the closely related viral types etc all seem to have some interconnections..when you start to  drag it into a pile.

Of course it may just be a big steaming pile too..thats up to you to read and do some thinking on.


I doubt there is anyone who doesn’t remember the charnel house the UK became when they had a few, very few..cases of FMD  a few years back.

Scenes from Dantes Inferno- misery and heartbreak as animals with no symptoms inc pets were killed “to save the uk” etc etc.

This was in spite of good veterinary advice to  the contrary, of such mass slaughter being necessary in a country where most animals WERE vaccinated, and good quarantine and practice could be maintained.

Today I found a report of a disease outbreak in Africa, its not FMD, but its a nasty..and I will  post separately on that one later:-)

However the page  I found that item on has a mass of reports on GLOBAL outbreaks of Foot and Mouth, and they go back to last year and before that, yet? there has been  little? or NO? reporting and certainly no over the top nationwide slaughter as in the UK event.Yes  culling but limited  events.

once again the company with the reports wont allow even a two word snip, so you are in for a lot of link clicks, sorry.

Believe IS worth doing, the saga is BIG  Global and bloody nasty.

There is a Conference being held in Thailand in a few days time , where they plan to announce request to worldwide Banks to supply funding for  eradication/vaccines etc.

OIE calls for bank support of FMD campaign

Rather a LOT too late.

The list of affected Countries so far is large and growing.

Russia for close to two years, seems to be the older treatable strain, but open to doubt..

New FMD strain found in Kyrgyzstan

Kazak, kyrgistan, and Russia in this block

New FMD strain threatens Middle East

CIS countries face FMD threat

Egyptian FMD outbreak requires “urgent action”, says FAO

Paraguay: animal health leader steps down after FMD outbreak

FMD outbreak confirmed in China

two events one in Dec’11 and one Jan 2012 in Pigs.Taiwan and then mainland. appears USA pig exports are rising steeply to China. gee?

Most people who know of  FMDx, know Vaccines were available.

However..the new strain not only is spreading widely it is Immune to the present vaccines “protection”, animals who were assumed to be safe are NOT! they are coming down with the new strain..but?..the PTB are still pushing immediate Vaccinations across nations, which is close to a  waste of time and money to try and combat this. The Pharmas will be loving it though.

Now the multibillion dollar question has to be HOW????

This  implied unknown variant, now named in some reports as SAT2, has managed to  spread so widely, you could excuse the  central  europe mid east as close enough for animals OR people  carrying contaminated dirt spores on shoes clothes etc.

That scenario falls over when that strain specifically, gets across an ocean or two to Sth American  lands. or it Should..if quarantine ie airports checking regions of travellers ie rural and footwear etc for dirt etc.

When so many ships transporting live animals or workers who have handled live animals on one trip then returning home etc arrive and  go back home, often inland etc..lets face it Quarantine on Docks seems to be a lot less  efficient, (ie Australia got crazy ants by containers).

Even so, so many areas, widely spread and reasonably close time frames  seems to make even that means seem a little less likely.

Contaminated vaccines? or someone using the GM  tampered vaccines?

or a planned bioweapon?

another aside:-)

On my post re flying pigs..I mentioned an odd event in a Piggery in Chile that wasn’t ringing true as to stated reasons for stench in the sties. however a mass die iff from FMD and a lot of smelly corpses would make more sense. Unconfirmed just surmising on it,but it is weird.Close enough geographically to be plausible anyway. Reading the Paraguay event made me consider it  as possible cause. The stated cause of the dead animals was workers leaving the plant and no food or water to some 500k pigs. Wether they died before or after may be a salient point, but I doubt it will be answered.


All the above reports say this is a NEW and Novel strain.

However looking for Vaccine info.I find this

FAO confirms spread of novel FMD strain to Gaza Strip
A novel strain of foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) has been detected in cattle in the Gaza Strip, confirming fears of the spread of the new variant, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) said today. The FMD strain is new to the area, and animals haven’t acquired any resistance to it, the agency said. The FAO added that vaccines against the novel SAT2 virus are in short supply. In February the SAT2 variant was found in Egypt and Libya, and it was confirmed in the neighboring Gaza Strip area on Apr 19. Juan Lubroth, DVM, PhD, the FAO’s chief veterinary officer, said in a statement that the disease threatens Gulf countries, and perhaps southern and eastern Europe and beyond. He said limiting animal movement is the top priority for preventing the spread of the virus, along with heightened surveillance and quick outbreak detection and response. The FAO said the virus has also been detected in Bahrain, but only at a quarantine center. Israel has targeted herds along its southern border for vaccination to create a protective buffer zone, and the Gaza Strip will receive 20,000 doses to protect its cattle, with 40,000 doses as soon as possible targeting sheep and goats. The FAO and its partners are negotiating with producers and vaccine banks to find more vaccine sources.
May 2 FAO press release

and also this…

BVI and African company with a 5 strain vaccine, however reading the data it seems very shortlived and pretty impracticable for the majority of places where its occurring  to be used as required, repeat basic doses and  follow ups every 6mths.


————-Engaged readers will have noted the removal of the A for Anthrax word:-)

while   Anthrax and FMD can be soil borne, they are NOT the same disease as I wrongly had believed till corrected by a comment here, Many thanks to Cudden Happen:-)

I am posting a snip and link that Proves that Killing of all infected animals really is over the top however as they DO recover and while its nasty for them for a few days, it does not kill adult animals that often, it Can kill young as they dont have physical reserves to be able to not eat for  the time their mouth tongues are sore and ulcerated.Some may recover but become carriers, most do not, therefore testing for  continued presence, in suspect animals, may be a FAR more economical and sane method than simply going in a killing many thousands of animals.

NOT allowing CAFO operations where diseases, have the very best chance of raging through and mutating, due to sheer numbers of affected cases would also be smart.

Is there any treatment or cure?

No. Affected animals will recover. Vaccines can protect against the disease but do not necessarily prevent animals from being infected. Vaccination is used in many countries to control the disease in an endemic situation. In order for a country to regain FMD-free status and limit the economic impacts, it is important to eradicate the virus as quickly as possible. Movement controls and removal of infected animals (along with other complementary control measures such as cleaning and disinfection) are essential to eradicate this disease. Vaccination can be an important tool to assist in containing and eradicating FMD, but its use will have trade implications.

Schmallenberg Virus Yet another ” AccIntental” Vaccine release? or mutation by product?

Most of you will never have heard of this one.

With good reason.

It didn’t exist until recently.

Its managed to spread through quite a few EU Union countries and even as far as Britain.

The  PTB have no idea if it’s a risk to humans,

They have said it was seemingly species limited,

However so far it has affected Goats Deer, Bison Cattle and Sheep,

So far from being limited it would appear it has a cross species ability,

They haven’t mentioned Pigs yet, but you would think intelligent folks might be wondering? and running the odd test?

Not a mention of any such, odd because its proven cross species, and Pigs are the most intensively farmed EU critters apart from fowls.

Nary a mention of any WILD species like Ferrets Stoats etc that seem to be so favoured for catching all sorts of nasties either? or Foxes..all meat eaters eating carcases of any dead young or  aborted debris in fields.

So What?? is it exactly you’re wondering?

It is a Virus..they think. They also think? maybe? its carried by Midges of one species only.

I personally think thats more than a bit weird!

Decades of farming in the areas affected first and others, with midges for millenia of this type existing and biting animals living there and not  ONE report of this before?

They also think?  but I am not sure IF? they are actually thinking, or  just doing some fast spin, thats its carried by the mums to be and passed to young in utero.

Well seeing as it causes stillbirths abortions and deformed young, it would have, if that was the case had a real fast die out as progeny would cease in affected animals.

Any disease that kills the host/carrier, without an easily mass transmissible contagion doesn’t hang round that long.

They also FAIL to mention at all in any way if Males of all the aforementioned species either have it?or are carriers of it. and what? if any symptoms it inflicts on them  ie Sterility would be a biggie.or mutated sperm? or the virus transferred IN semen?

Now heres the BIG curiosity concerning this one.

It appears to be similar to???


Why is this a biggie?

Because the EU was using a LIVE Bluetongue disease Vaccine until 2008 and probably still is in some areas. they’ve now Swapped to a  Killed vaccine, citing Problems??yeah??? with the live Vaccine!

They say they’ve dropped bluetongue incidence to  less than 50 cases, down from thousands..but gee all of a sudden they have a new Disease appearing?

Not a whisper of they might? consider checking what else was in those vaccines. a couple of years lead in time for an outbreak to gain enough victims to be noticed would NOT be beyond a credible timeframe.

( see prior post re Flying PIGS and the Aussie recall of a vaccine just as HENDRA emerged seemingly instantly  to kill Horses and Humans, comment section)

I apologise for not being able to  place selected paragraphs to  make reading up on this easier and faster, but the original source bans ANY snippets being used.

so here is a list of items concerning this BY industry reporters.

The bits the media  will be too lazy to find, or too controlled to make public for fear of having informed citizens asking embarrasing questions:-)

What SHOULD be of concern to ALL Farmers in EU and UK is the  supposed Guardians OF Animal and farm production safety etc deciding that banning intra country and os sales is Not??? necessary?

Schmallenberg virus “worrying”, says OIE

you bet!

Spring likely to see Schmallenberg spread further

really? its obviously done that for two seasons already…who’s a genius then?

Schmallenberg may survive winter, says EFSA

well hell, it HAD to survive snow and ice already to re emerge last spring…DER! no Brainer time:-)

EU signals potential WTO action against SBV-related import bans

not only are they imposing NO Quarantine restrictions, they intend Forcing trade to continue in spite of some places using their brains and wanting to close doors until it’s sorted.

One big INfected EU coming up!

and remember they think?(not too hard, it might hurt) thats it IS similar/related TO Bluetongue..

so what are they doing?

EU allows preventative bluetongue vaccination

ramping UP a vaccine which just may BE the vector, if it wasnt the older live one..

and if it was in the older vaccine, and an offshoot mutation, the new ones hardly likely to work or help..

might help it change again.

But it’s ok, chill out

someones written a report. whoopty doo!

EFSA to publish report on Schmallenberg

Whats in this item shows that with a 2 YEAR lead in, heaps of Biolabs and vets and assorted specialists in animal health etc etc.

they still have no idea and not much of an action plan.

They seriously expect us to believe a sudden ONE species specific,  Midge carried disease erupted spontaneously in varied areas of the EU, and also in UK. across Species.

Thats as good as Hendra suddenly appearing in Aussie  fruit bats, and affecting horses and via them humans and canines.

BTW Aus seems to have done NO research on Cattle who would be likely to  be at risk, OR feral pigs who would be eating dead Feral Horses who magically?

DO NOT seem to be dropping like flies unlike well fed nutritionally superior VACCINATED  Horses..

Porky Flys, and Porky Pies! and Anthrax ReInvents itself?

Recently followers of Food Freedom or FarmWars or PPJ would have read of the insane  and Unexplained rush to eradicate a whole lot of Old Breed and Heritage Pigs in certain AmeriKKan states byt the USDA swat teams.

No Sane explanations given as to why? the sudden rush to remove everything they can that isn’t in a CAFO and an inbred weak pink piggy.

The sheer Insanity of culling what are precious rare breeds with hugely valuable gene pools, and yeah ,ok some mongrel  crosses, but owned and constrained and cared for none the less but this campaign seemed  ONLY to be targeting well cared for owned and small farmed breeders.

Well, I may? have discovered the reason behind it.

I can’t be sure, but I sure can take an educated guess they had an Ulterior motive for it.

I apologise that to read why you will have to go to links, the site I found info on will not allow even small para snips.

Awhile back I found an odd report about Russia having an outbreak of an UNusual strain of Swine Fever..its not so rare BUT it is for anywhere outside of ? Africa.

see here.

Russian pig population under ASF threat

not the first report I read but the most recent.

now under it in an item NOT given newsletter prominence was this one

Russia accuses Georgia of swine fever sabotage

Funny…when I read the first report I wondered about the means it would have had to come into Russia by..

the Second one sure fills in the gaps as to possible import vectors.

And Gee the good ol USDA had EXperts…on ground.

Call me suspicious, it sure seems all too co incidental to BE a coincidence!

a Vaccine program gone wrong?

or a Vaccine program doing what was intended? hmm?

Now what may have been given to certain USA piggeries by accident or intent?

maybe? designed to target old and wild breeds? but didnt work as planned?

or carried home by the EXperts just like White Nose and Chiclid fungus was???

There’s huge agribiz interests in Pig genetics and the Monmen patented genetics from old breeds claiming it theirs..

Also very weird closer to  ameriKKan shores a report of a Piggery in Chile about to cull all 500 K pigs on their farm.


because the townsfolk nearby couldnt stand the stench..supposedly caused by Aerator failure.

sorry but that would not create such a huge smell issue as far as I can ascertain. If the aerator ceased the pools would go anoxic, and be degassing Methane a risk for explosion but also not a “smelly” gas. the residues would stink sure, but they have a water cover. Aerators  oxygenate end stir, they have nothing to do with pumps and water supposedly running into local streams etc, thats another issue. Theres a whole lot wrong about this story.

However a whole pile of Dead pigs would create a pong smelt for miles in numbers..

Its said the workers left the pigs without food and water..afterwards, and many have died. Sorry, but for the millions of dollars/pesos whatever.. involved in operations like this and automated systems that could be operated by management etc, its not ringing true.

If anyone has better info by all means post it commentwise:-)

here’s the item.

Half million pigs from smelly Chilean farm to be slaughtered |

Now if this was your business wouldn’t you be selling anything you could anywhere you could as fast as possible?

In a country with high population and demand?

why? would you cull Half a MILLION moneymaking animals

Insurance? as an Insurer I would  fail their claim. Negligence doesn’t make the grade. BUT if you had pigs dying, before, and then publicity and you are worried what might be found??? hmm? then  culling suddenly makes more sense.

===============now about ANTHRAX It is reported an Entirely NEW STRAIN of Anthrax has been found in?

Kyrgyzstan. rather an odd spot for this?

New FMD strain found in Kyrgyzstan

NOT so strange if you know that Prior years Russian Bioweapons labs were placed in some very out of the way areas..and were not exactly decomissioned as such.

Reliance on site island in a lake…and the lake dried up years ago for eg.

OR that could be an easy  assumption for many to call, when it’s a new lab product released by someone wanting to see what it does in somewhere far off shore..?

The very problematic issue here is this
new” strain is not only apparently a nonresponder to present Vax.

It also is infecting animals WITH prior Vaccination to  standard strains.

Then I see this report

Anthrax detected in Indonesia

they do NOT mention strain in this..and they also have Epic FAIL as regards notification timeframe of reports and area control.

As a long lasting soil borne vector they are in deep shit.

Decades old cattle trails in usa still have Anthrax spores viable and infecting unlucky animals using them from time to time. In a humid climate the risk of spread is so much worse.

I will continue to keep an eye out for related reports and update as I find.

Who? is behind the Massive Worldwide Buyup of our Forests?

This is a bit Aussie centric, but then theres a UK and USA linkup I think may have some  bearing on it all.

Today the Sth Australian  news is about the buyup proposed to be approved by Private UNnamed interests of the SA forests.

Last few weeks theres been a similar event happening in the UK a huge amount of old forestry to be privatised, no names again..

now I got a CDC email toaday, aside from the political views the people behind the doings are worth some note.

its the RBS royal bank of scotland…who happen to be broke and bailed out, doing the SA advisory.

how odd?

then unrelated  source I come across a corp that has bought almost All of Oregons forests to use for?

heres the real interesting bit!

they plan to chip and use for Fuels! biofuels from woodsources.

so the wood we would use as renewable home  building and other sustainable  ,non polluting , un like petrochem plastics etc, would be processed for fuel instead?

so excuse the  length but I am adding the emails contents .

see if you think its a possible correct answer to the sudden interest.

first the adelaide news.…

then the cdc
itizens Electoral Council of Australia
Media Release  8th of February 2011

Craig Isherwood‚ National Secretary
PO Box 376‚ COBURG‚ VIC 3058


SA Government to crush forestry communities for British Empire banks

The South Australian Government’s plan to privatise up to 110 years’ worth of state forestry rotations which will annihilate the forestry communities in the south-east of the state is being enacted on behalf of the British Empire’s bankrupt Inter-Alpha Group of Banks, charged Citizens Electoral Council leader Craig Isherwood today.

“The Inter-Alpha Group is on a global looting spree to prop up their failed monetary system, and the state government, directed by leading Inter-Alpha bank The Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), is giving them the state’s forestry wealth to plunder,” Mr Isherwood said.

The RBS is one of the world’s leading privatisation outfits, which in the guise of “advisers” is being paid handsomely to direct the privatisation of SA Forestry; typically, its directives are hidden from the public behind the scam of “commercial in confidence”, but they are understood to involve multiple options, including the full privatisation of SA Forestry.

Mr Isherwood ridiculed the Government’s reasons for privatisation: “The Government’s argument that South Australia needs to smash forestry communities to fix up its finances is a sick con. First, hasn’t this moronic government learnt anything from the global financial crisis? The very same international credit rating agencies which decide if South Australia is AAA-rated, are the ones which rated trillions of dollars of toxic derivatives such as CDOs [collateralised debt obligations] that financed subprime mortgages, also as AAA! The Government wants people to swallow the idea that local timber communities should be decimated so the state can earn a worthless score on a piece of paper.

“Secondly, what about The Royal Bank of Scotland’s finances? IT IS BANKRUPT! It’s only still standing because it was nationalised by the British government in the global meltdown following the collapse of Lehman Brothers in late 2008.

“And as events in Europe prove, the so-called global financial crisis is far from over. The entire Inter-Alpha Group of Banks, of which RBS is a leading member, is in meltdown, which is causing the crises in Ireland, Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy, and threatens to collapse the euro, the EU, and the whole trans-Atlantic monetary system.”

He continued, “As the American physical economist Lyndon LaRouche has exposed, the Inter-Alpha Group is the new British Empire, formed in 1971 by Lord Jacob Rothschild to ‘globalise’ the world’s financial system, i.e. to strip away any national obstacles to the City of London’s domination of the financial systems of all national economies.

“To prop up their system now that 40 years of unbridled financial looting has sent the world bankrupt, this criminal cartel of banks is dictating to governments to impose austerity measures on their populations, such as slashing funding to healthcare and essential services, and privatisations, that free up more money to be sucked into the banks.”

Mr Isherwood pointed out that The Royal Bank of Scotland is currently dictating privatisations all over Australasia. It is a joint lead manager of Anna Bligh’s asset fire sale in Queensland, the biggest privatisation spree since Jeff Kennett gutted Victoria in the 1990s, and it is heavily involved in the pernicious form of privatisation known as Public-Private Partnerships, in which governments carry all of the risk and private banks reap the profits, in Victoria, NSW, Queensland, NT, WA, as well as New Zealand.

Liberate the nation from the British Empire

Mr Isherwood called on the concerned residents who are protesting the SA Forests sale to join the CEC’s fight to free Australia from the British system of private money dictating government policy that is destroying the entire country:

“Not just South Australia, but the entire nation is being systematically and deliberately stripped of the essential industries and infrastructure that enables Australia as a nation-state to look after the physical needs of its people,” he explained.

“A combination of British free trade policies and British ‘green’ policies have smashed the family farmers who guarantee the nation’s food security [see below]; British free trade tariff cuts have smashed the nation’s manufacturing industries, especially in South Australia; British privatisation policies have looted the nation’s power, water and transport infrastructure; British-designed economic rationalism policies (as pioneered by Margaret Thatcher) have starved hospitals and essential services of adequate funding, which is mass-killing people.”

The intention is genocide, he said.

“Australia is being targeted for depopulation,” he went on. “The fact that the privatisation will decimate the timber economy of the Southeast and depopulate the region is deliberate. It is the same issue in the Murray-Darling Basin: City of London-controlled private banks, and the radical green movement personally founded by Prince Philip to “solve overpopulation”, are directing the Murray-Darling Basin Authority’s drive to smash the national food bowl, to not just depopulate the rural areas, but to depopulate the entire nation, from its current 23 million down to Wentworth Group member and World Wide Fund for Nature trustee Professor Tim Flannery’s preferred level of 5-6 million people.” [See The New Citizen, Dec. 2010/Jan. 2011.]

The CEC National secretary concluded, “The CEC’s mission is to fight for the principle of the common good of people, and free Australia from this system. We are fighting to return to the policies that developed Australia into the once-powerful industrial economy we were, for which the patriots of ‘old Labor’ and great leaders such as John ‘Black Jack’ McEwen so tirelessly fought: government-owned national and state banks, long-term investment in nation-building infrastructure, and a vision for Australia’s economic development.

then the unrelated email from a investment group in aus.

Greasing the Wheels of Oil Production
by Byron King

There’s a common theme to my efforts on behalf of my Outstanding Investments subscribers. Yes, I like companies that control real resources like oil, natural gas, copper, gold, silver, etc. I look for the basic resource value. But beyond these basics, I look for companies that control resources and have the technology to extract them and add value.

A company like Venoco (NYSE:VQ) is just one intriguing example. Venoco is applying rock-fracturing technology to California’s Monterey Shale. If the company accomplishes what it aims to do – increase oil recovery from shale – there’s the strong potential for Venoco to transform its shale acreage into a recoverable billion-barrel oil resource.

Or look at Talisman (NYSE:TLM). Here’s a company that’s not just leading the charge to fracture shale formations for the shale gas, but also working with South African refiner Sasol to turn “stranded,” low- value natural gas into high-value liquid fuel. In other words, Talisman is working to add value at the upstream stage and capture that value for its bottom line – and, of course, for the shareholders.

Over and over in Outstanding Investments, I have highlighted resource technology companies like Schlumberger (NYSE:SLB), Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) and Baker Hughes (NYSE:BHI).

These global oil field service giants provide the essential technological foundations of modern-day energy extraction. If any of these three companies simply vanished overnight, the world energy system would start to break down by the following morning. Without their technology – and their corporate ability to integrate systems of systems – the world would quickly revert to an energy state of the 1850s or so.

I should add that you can’t just pigeonhole these guys. It’s way too glib to say that Schlumberger is a great wireline company, Halliburton is a great well cementing company and Baker Hughes is a great drill bit company.

Yes, each statement is true, as far as it goes. But each company also offers a full line of energy-development technology, with the process thinking and systems management to make it happen.

Beyond just the extraction phase, you need to think in terms of upgrading the products into something else – product transformation. For example, I’ve held Weyerhaeuser (NYSE:WY) in the Outstanding Investments portfolio for a couple of years. No, it’s NOT that I’m playing on the possibility of a housing recovery, although that would doubtless be good for a “tree growing company” like Weyerhaeuser.

It’s more that I like Weyerhaeuser because it controls large swaths of biomass – that is, “trees” and all the other stuff that comes from growing and harvesting trees. I mean lumber, of course, plus bark, chips, sawdust and everything else that comes out of those vast swaths of forestland up in Washington, Oregon, etc.

So Weyerhaeuser controls biomass – but now what? Weyerhaeuser is partnered with no less than oil giant Chevron to develop – “leapfrog” is more like it – new technology to turn this biomass into something that a refinery can process. This is far beyond the primitive idea of using corn for ethanol. Really, burn your food and deplete the agricultural soil just for motor fuel? (That’s why I call it “deathanol”).

So Weyerhaeuser has the biomass – the fundamental raw material. Chevron has the refining and marketing power. Now all they need is the correct technology to turn wood chips, etc., into a feedstock for refining fuel. It’s going to happen in a big way, and likely within five years or so.

So when you’re looking around for hi-tech investments, don’t forget to look around for the world’s cutting-edge energy service companies.

Byron King
For Daily Reckoning Australia

for the Uk you can go to the guardian or daily mail or any paper to see the uproar over there.
I could be casting a looong bowshot, but I think I may be correct as to the long term motives behind this sudden upsurge of interest.

I am also told a(possibly Canadian?? company has Purchased large areas of Tasmanias forestry too